I’ve never been a big fan of multiple choice rating systems. How are 3 stars different than 4 stars for a Yelp restaurant or an Amazon book? And it looks like Google isn’t going to buck the trend with their new ratings for local businesses. What kind of users tend to dissect their experiences between “excellent” vs “very good”? The anal ones who tend to be the loudest within Internet communities, that’s who.
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“If Apple can take this sort-of-passable Maps app and make it into a really great one, with functional transit directions, better map tiles, and all that, it can do anything. If it can’t, for whatever reason, that’s something to legitimately worry about.”
Paging map nerds - how hard of a road is this for Apple to get a respectable maps experience for its users?
Since Tumblr’s reply box seems to have a character limit, I’ll put my attempt to answer that here:
Looking at reviews and sites like http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/ there seem to be multiple issues with Apple’s maps, among them:
- The data quality of the actual maps, sometimes data is entirely missing and sometimes it’s wrong and/or old.
- Search and geocoding, problems here can be results of both bad and incomplete map data as well as weak algorithms.
- Satellite/aerial imagery, they simply don’t seem to have enough up-to-date images at high resolutions.
Now how could you tackle those issues:
Let’s start with the imagery, I’m not as familiar with those as with map data, but from what I know you can get pretty far by simply spending lots of money to buy those images from imagery providers around the world. So you basically need money (not an issue for Apple) and people being able to make those deals (might be an issue for Apple right now). Plus making all those deals and stitching the images together takes time.
To get to Google Maps like quality however I think you would need go beyond that and make exclusive deals and maybe even have some planes fly around for you (see for example what MS/Bing has been doing). That takes more expertise and a lot of time.
Now for the map data, what Apple seems to be doing so far is buy data from different data vendors around the world and combine it to a worldwide map.
To improve here they would need to go out and license more data, which costs money (not an issue) and again you need time and people being able to make those deals. There is simply not a single data provider that has good or even great data for the whole world. For the western world TomTom (previously TeleAtlas) is probably fine, but is basically the only data provider since the other big one, Navteq, is now part of Nokia (that also provides Amazon’s maps now). For POIs and search Apple seems to already license data from additional sources like Yelp, they could also do more deals there (Foursquare comes to mind).
For the rest of the world you can talk to local data providers, obviously there are lots of them around the world with varying degrees of data quality plus you need them to agree to a license which allows you to later mash the data together… And in some third-world countries there are simply no official maps you can buy or license, that’s why Google started their MapMaker program and OpenStreetMap often provides the best maps you can find in those places.
After you’ve licensed all that data you need smart engineers that can combine those data sets in a way that only the best data is used for a given place, which doesn’t seem to be the case with the current edition of Apple’s maps (see also). Again you need expertise and time to do that.
If you want to get to Google like quality, well basically read what Google is doing in the recent Atlantic article.
A few years ago Google moved from licensing data to buying data plus using public datasets to create their own dataset in a lot of countries and then improve it constantly with their own data streams (Street View, location data from Android devices, bug reports from people, crawling the web for POI information and getting people to work for free for Google through MapMaker). This again takes time and you need lots of people who do the manual work of making maps out of those “raw” data sources (Google apparently outsourced most of that to India). Apple doesn’t have access to Street View like imagery and their maps team doesn’t seem to be nearly as big and powerful as Google’s yet.
The only other way to get access to a dataset that is as detailed and as up-to-date is to use OpenStreetMap, which is crowd-sourced by people around the world (including volunteers that actually walk around with a GPS device, but also government agencies, non-profit organizations and even some companies contributing data).
The main issue with using OpenStreetMap data right now is that the quality varies around the world and different regions, simply because in some countries (e.g. Germany) a lot of people have been mapping since 2005 while that hasn’t happened in other countries for various reasons. With OpenStreetMap data you can also run into issues of data quality, that is map data might be fine for making maps to look at (like Foursquare’s maps on their website), but not good enough for turn-by-turn directions.
To sum it up, I think it will definitely take some time before Apple fixes all the issues they now have. I won’t try to predict if or when they will catch up with Google, it obviously depends on which of the outlined ways they choose to pursue and how many resources they decide to invest in it.
I hope that’s somewhat understandable and gives a good overview without going into too much detail. I’ve been contributing to OpenStreetMap since 2008, attended some geo conferences and read quite a few articles over the years, but of course I don’t know nearly as much as people who are actually working on that kind of stuff at Nokia/TomTom/Google/Apple etc. Corrections and additional thoughts welcome.
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Zack Holman had a good piece on why Twitter Lists and Google+ Circles don’t really work — they’re “shit work” for users. Who wants to maintain changing lists when they could actually be interacting and expressing themselves?
This is why I was never fascinated by Google+ and its concept of Circles. You have to go through entire sub-communities of your friends and drop them into arbitrary groupings. That sounds like shit work to me.
The post spurred me to think about why all products tend to get overcomplicated at some point, and, echoing Zack’s thoughts here: Users think they like levels of control - “Oooh, if I can only organize my network into lists!”, but really, they don’t really want to maintain and keep up with the chore. On the other hand, how do you solve a lot of the signal-to-noise problems that plague a lot of networks? And then how do you not become heavy handed if you do rely on the app to figure the subtleties of different relationships and discovery needs? And by having lists and groups and things to manage, you’re implicitly denying the fluidity of how people, content and objects move between categorizations.
Oh, and did anyone ever used Apple’s On-the-go playlist feature? I remember using it a lot on my original iPod but never much after that.
1. The end of your social life.
Vic Gundotra detailing a conversation he had with Steve Jobs in 2008.
It’s the little things.
Please excuse all the Steve Jobs posts from my blog today. I can’t help myself.
Now I’m really depressed. Because this was inevitable.
Good commercial that shows the very very benevolent side of how the Web contains all my history. Hope to see the devious version soon.
In the Plex, Steven Levy (via matthew)
Performance is a feature.
Flickr’s on the new Google Social search update. Yay photos! Interesting animation in their video - as implicitly it confirms the most important parts of the photo page. When we noodled over the design, we really wanted to make navigation and big photos the main actors on the page — and while to a certain degree, we accomplished that with the larger photo size and the contextual widget on the sidebar, I’d love to go back and figure out how to really apply the previous/next buttons better. To this day, it’s still an unsolved problem in my mind how to really balance all the info that Flickr has around the photo - the privacy notices, social cues, geo and EXIF information — with navigation and the full display of the photo across different screen resolutions. I think Dunstan and team did a great job, but as with all features, from time to time, it’s nice to come back with fresh eyes.
Why Do Google Maps’s City Labels Seem Much More “Readable” Than Those of Its Competitors?
For months, I’ve been trying to figure out why Google Maps’s city labels seem so much more readable than the labels on other mapping sites.
To me, Google’s labels seem to “pop” much more than the other sites’ labels. Major cities also seem to stand out much more.  And whenever you’re quickly scanning the maps, the label you’re searching for seems to stand out just a little sooner on Google’s maps.
From a commenter at Alley Insider regarding Google’s innovations:
- Mapquest rocks! Let’s make Google Maps.
- Hotmail rocks! Let’s make Gmail
- iPhone ROCKS! Let’s make the Google phone!
- Twitter ROCKS! Let’s make Google Buzz!
- Facebook Rocks! Let’s make Google Me!
Huge deal today in the travel planning, flight reservation space. ITA was bought for $700 million; essentially Google (like Bing), recognizes the premiums associated with the search travel segment. I sincerely hope that the integration can yield better product features for the end consumer. I love Farecast’s grid (although it’s only available for domestic markets) and Kayak’s foray into the Explore map is a good idea in need of better distribution channels. If anyone can do it, the brains at Google can make travel planning more intuitive — background process instead of an explicit tool.
What’s Google’s end game in the travel biz here? Obviously there are some complementary services that can use Google Maps as a platform. A push into local ads, a review community and the somewhat lucrative travel planning segment? Perhaps Google is eyeing Bing’s success with Farecast and are looking to make moves into the travel vertical to supplement their search engine. I wonder if this is a start (or maybe it has been happening already) of increasing categorization of searches. I’m not a search expert, but it’s an interesting example of how a community-based product can fit within Google’s information/search culture.